After running a series of articles referencing the differences between Australia and New Zealand, and debunking the materially misleading propaganda recently run by the Auckland based national “Tabloid”, the NZ Herald, we felt that one of our readers and their own very personal story (a recent email), about “making the move” said it all and was worth publishing; we trust that Ed is understanding:
“Hi Lauda Finem
I have been reading your website since I discovered it trying to contact a friend which shared a name close to the guy that used to head the Real Estates Agent Authority, Mr Keith Manch. My mates name is Kelvin Manch, god only knows where he now is, I’ll have to keep looking.
I must say that I feel a little let down if you have not posted a story for a few days. It must be hard having to make a living whilst doing the fantastic work that you people have done since 2010.
Having a considerable property portfolio I really enjoyed the expose on the Real Estate Agents Authority, as I could tell you a few stories about New Zealand Real Estate Agents that would make people shudder, all which have occurred in the last year when I sold down my residential and commercial portfolio New Zealand wide.
Anyway I am writing because I travelled to Australia over Christmas visiting Sydney New South Wales, before traveling on to Queensland where I visited numerous places and some distant relatives. I often thought of living overseas, but put it off for mostly family reasons, but after reading the numerous stories you had run about the difference between the two countries I decided to take a trip to see if I could make the move.
I have lived in other countries when in my twenties and early thirties, but had only had weekend trips to various places in Aus, or traveled through when returning. My last such trip to Aus was nearly 20 years ago.
I realized that this trip was to be different as I was doing a hard appraisal of the differences between Auckland where I currently live and basically Sydney Australia. I decided that I must be harsh on Sydney and look at its issues such as population size, just being a number, and cultural differences.
On arriving in Sydney I noticed the lack of fat people. Sure there were fat people but they really stood out. In Auckland the number of really obese adult Pacific Islanders is frightening and the obesity of their children is at pandemic levels.
I as a person that pays substantial taxes will have to bear that burden if I stay in New Zealand, but that is not the real issue as my family has tip to toe health cover and don’t rely on the state. Of course if these people were healthy then the money spent keeping them alive to remain fat and unemployed could be spent on better education and health services for those that paid the bulk of the taxes.
But there is another issue that I feel presents a health problem or moreover a mental health problem. I felt better being surrounded by people that actually gave a fuck about their appearance, and were not lazy free loading pricks who had emigrated and breed present and future losers. When talking with my wife I referred to the issue as Australia not suffering from Obesity Pollution. My wife referred to the problem as New Zealanders had been hit with the “ugly stick” and she wanted out more than me.
while in Australia I was “ordered” by my teenage daughters to “go here and there” to buy designer stuff. In Auckland I would have done this by car but in Sydney I took your public transport the buses and trains and never had a problem with connections, or the transport being late. I spent some time in the Sydney CBD and visited various retailers in Pitt Street and I was amazed at the little things such as the quality of the buskers. One guy sang the latest pop songs with another guy backing him up on electric guitar, whilst another sang “pop” opera, and yet another played acoustic guitar. And all of that mind you was just in Pitt Street. These musicians were apparently paid for by the Council and they deserved every dollar as they were a joy to stop and watch and applaud. In Auckland, in Queen Street, we have some toothless Maori banging out “ten guitars” on a kids size guitar that is missing two strings.
I have decided to move to Sydney, and to also buy a holiday house on the Sunshine Coast, and other property in Bali. I will not return to New Zealand as my children will now finish their education in private schools and then most likely go to a University in the UK. All of my daughters unlike me are particularly academically gifted and will thrive on the much higher level of competency found in Australia’s academic institutions.
Although I will have made the move by March of this year, I will still read your blog as I feel that it captures the very essence of what makes a certain type of Kiwi leave for a better life, and why the other type stays in what is fast becoming a third world Pacific Island run by corrupt business interests, just like Fiji.
Best of wishes
Ed”
We here at Lauda Finem look forward to, indeed respect and more often than not greatly enjoy reading the emails you our readers and supporters, or for that matter detractors, that take the time to send in.
Keep the emails coming and if you have a view we would encourage you to make it known to the world, especially the small inner circle world of New Zealand’s corrupt self interested merchant bankers and lawyers, the so called political elite.
Are you happy living in New Zealand? Are you more than just a little pissed off? Pissed off with the likes of National Party blockhead and injustice minister Judith Collins?
Hey, why not take a little time out of your day to email the “Team @ Lauda Finem”; share with us your own opinions, views and personal stories, after all we here at Lauda Finem are amongst a relatively small number of Australians that genuinely do give a fuck about New Zealand and its many problems: laudafinem@bigpond.com
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Here is someone who has met Jones………………. Rossco Posted at 11.36AM – 27.09.2012
I met Jones at the 1981 Spring Bok tour game in Hamilton he had grabbed me by the arm and invited me to fight with him against the protesters. I regret to this day not smacking the idiot between the eyes there and then. Jones is an idiot…………….Its not that difficult to single out a property that would return enough “income” to pay off any mortgage on that property……………This is all Jones does but he makes sure that he does it in Wellington where there many Govt agencies available to fill up the shit holes……………..And to think that this thug Robert Jones, just as with “Ding dong the witch is dead” Paul Holmes, received a knighthood:………………….Fuck if I know how Holmes got a knighthood perhaps for keeping his mouth shut???? But Jones got his fucking the country for his mates including Lange and co……………….I have to disagree with you here……..But then again Rossco not much has changed since Rob Muldoon’s Prime Minister-ship, wasn’t Muldoon the NZ PM that upset our PM, Malcolm Fraser with his comment “why don’t you tell your Prime Minister to go and see a Taxidermist” at an Australian hosted CHOGM?……..Muldoon kept a tight leash on the scum Lange let them loose the rape this country over. No I wouldn’t waste my time slamming Jones but I would given a gun shoot the fucking lot in a heart beat.
To understand how we got to this……….A sponsorship programme used to feed starving children in Third World countries is now being used to help poor Kiwi kids.
Survey of 12- to 19-year-olds shows link between amount of alcohol being drunk and areas where poverty is a problem.
Researchers have found New Zealand youths living in deprived areas drink almost twice as much as those in the least-deprived places.
Adolescents living in the most deprived areas in New Zealand drink almost twice as much alcohol than their peers living at the other end of the scale, a joint study has found.
Prior to 1984 we had in this country schemes to assist the unemployed. Those schemes Paid Employment Programs kept working people working. The people on those programs subliminally taught their children to get out of bed and do something ie go to work yourself or go to school. I was an apprentice back then and knew many people on those programs. They had good work ethics high self esteem and so on. They passed these traits on to their offspring simply by being able to get out and go to work every day even though it was only on subsidized work schemes.
I can take you today and introduce you to the sons and daughters of the people I knew who are now these people………Researchers have found New Zealand youths living in deprived areas drink almost twice as much as those in the least-deprived places………….and these people are breeding more of the same.
What people like Ed don’t understand and scum like Jones never factored into their equation was that while you may despise these people and resent having to pay them a benefit they actually paying more to keep many of them in prison.
Anyone who is stupid enough to claim back in the eighties that you could take every car assembly worker every forestry worker and for that matter anyone employed in mostly manual labour and turn him or her into a computer expert or something similar is simply that stupid and an idiot because it didn’t happen and was never going to happen.
We send all of our raw product overseas and import totally made up and finished junk from China.
I for one would find it difficult to trust that Labour will ever be able to gain the confidence of the population having regard for the fucking sins committed during their reign. The way I see it is the only hope for Labour gaining power is to go down the same path we went down with Labour. That is we have to endure the filthy lying scum like Key and co until we can take no more.
Perhaps it is about time we had a political party who has the interests of the whole country as it main principle.
I have got around this country quite a bit in my life time and what makes me saddest is the service men who gave up their lives for us and the best we can fucking do is give up on our youth.
Fuck Bob Jones and co and if I ever get another opportunity to slam that cunt Jones in the face I will take it.
Today we have so much junk on our roads that legislation now prohibits imported cars being over a certain age. This is a good indication that the reforms encouraged by scum like Bob Jones and co did not work and were always doomed to failure.
I would have some respect for the likes of Ed if he decided to sell up his non producing (except to produce personal wealth) enterprises and reinvest in industries in this country that create employment. But that is and will never happen with these people because their only interest is wealth for themselves.
Here is a good example of why we should never have allowed people of Jones’ ilk to have an influence on our economy and a good reason why Jones and co should be shot dead.
Back prior to 1984 Fletchers were in involved with the Government of the day in building the third paper machine at the Kawerau Pulp and Paper Mill. There were plans to build a further twenty machines stretching out to the base of Mount Edgcombe. After the 1984 election Fletchers abandoned their plans and bought a mill in Canada instead. That venture was a failure and Fletchers went bust. Of course ever since we have dumped our best timber overseas to the Asians.
Back in the seventies I drove a logging truck carting logs to the Mount wharf. On average each truck load, and majority of loads were forty foot logs, had around five to ten logs. Today if you count the number of logs carted to the wharfs there could be in excess of twenty and as many as forty or more. What this tells me at least is that all of our very best timber has been sold down the drain for making boxes and pulp and left us with the rubbish. If you don’t believe that then believe this. In the last ten years or so the amount of timber required to build an average house has increased by something like 40%. The reason is because the timber we have left growing in this country is too young and does not have the strength of older more mature timber.
The reforms introduced by Labour as a result of the manipulation of the country by scum like Jones and co (the list is long) have not worked for the benefit of the country as a whole.
Mind you Ed is not doing something new filthy fucking car dealers have been ripping off Nzer’s by the thousands reaping huge profits and moving oversea for years.
Hi Rossco,
Some of those filthy rip-off fucking car dealers even received a knighthood courtesy of your National party Govt. Bob Jones and property investors? We would suggest that property investors are people, whom without, New Zealand would have a serious shortage of affordable rental accommodation……..oh that’s right New Zealand does have a serious housing crisis that’s probably why David Shearer has proposed a massive expansion of community housing to be funded by taxpayers under a Labour Govt.
Ed states……..”Having a considerable property portfolio”……..I could be wrong but what this says is Ed owns property. He would need to clarify this but doesn’t say he builds and provides ‘affordable rental accommodation’. Ed needs to come clean and simply say “I am a landlord first and foremost, I have a list of property for rent but I do not provide ‘affordable rental accommodation’.
And yes we do,it appears, have a ‘serious housing crisis’ but the likes of Ed and in particular fucking bludgers like Jones are not interested they are simply landlords who generate or create not but wealth for themselves.
Its not personal but good bye to you Ed.
Rossco,
Ed doesn’t have to clarify anything mate, nor for that matter do we, this one example of Ed’s emails is what it is. We however know that Ed did own residential rental property (Ed, like yourself Rossco, has written many emails to us here at Lauda Finem), we are also aware that Ed was disgusted with the way your country’s government has handled the rental accommodation crisis in Christchurch and the fact that rents have reached outrageous levels.
Rossco, It seems that the mainstream media has picked up on a few of our points in this case:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8256617/Exodus-warning-by-house-seekers
We tweeted the link in the early hours (AEDST), you might like to follow us on twitter and facebook
Essentially we are both on the same side however I do think if Ed wants to voice his opinion and state his case he should clarify whether or not he provides the type of rental property that our arsehole Govt(s) (we do desperately need a clean out of that hive of parasites) are not and should be providing. That means assistance to NZ’s in need of housing to get into affordable accommodation at a reasonable price. For a start it is not for people like Ed to provide subsidized accommodation and nor should it be. Years ago we had companies like Beazley Homes and Sunline Homes that built affordable housing with the assistance of Govt agencies. A young couple could capitalize on their family benefit and build. Filthy scum like Jones, Lange and co wanted all that done away with in favour of user pays. Well the fact is in this day and age the user can’t pay.
Its not rocket science is it. By Ed’s own admission he has been quite successful and become quite wealthy as a result. He didn’t achieve that by subsidizing his tenants but it does look suspiciously that there are no more easy dollars here for him.
As far as I am concerned he has two options…….1. Sell up and put that money into building affordable houses the likes that Sunline Homes etc built (with Govt assistance similar to capitalization) or 2 Go to Aussie.
Ed like may others have taken advantage of what was available but like many others are now choosing to leave because there appears to nothing left to take advantage of.
PS I am not putting Ed in the same basket as Jones scum of this world.
He’s not really stating any case, we were and the case that we were stating is simply that New Zealand as a country is well and truly fucked and its because Kiwi’s don’t hold their politicians to account…….for fuck sake Rossco how many should be doing gaol time?
Rossco
I agree with so many of your points. However the likes of John Key passed legislation to rip off actors and other people that would have worked on Peter Jacksons movies, so Jackson could import cheaper labour to keep costs down. The truth is that investors in New Zealand are now global investors worldwide. The big retirement funds spend most of their money overseas as well. Our diary industry is being sold to the chinese at knock off prices. Our banks are in the hands of the Australians. The cost of housing is the most expensive in the world when you calculate the income of the average Kiwi. Ed apparently has commercial investments as well as residential, and has made money. Rossco, it takes “income” to buy property so we do not know what Ed did to get his wealth which i agree is probably very considerable. The truth about Kiwis is that the majority of them are the victims of our politicians fiscal experiments, but we voted the cunts in [although I protest vote]. We need to use what little passion we have to join forces and to do something about “our lot” as soon, it will be too late.
The Aussies have an incredibly hard policy on immigration which will see them in a better state than us. Unfortunately for us the Eds of this country are leaving for a better place, which without doubt is Aus, and like it or not the people that stay will have to face the music of their making. I therefore agree with what Ed is saying, but definitely do not like the truth as it would appear you do not. Lastly it is the PC shit that is stifling real debate and real facts being admitted so change is possible. God Save New Zealand as its citizens are doing their best to fuck it by voting in fucktards.
We have to read between the lines earle, not knowing his personal circumstances……. Ed apparently has commercial investments as well as residential, and has made money. Rossco, it takes “income” to buy property so we do not know what Ed did to get his wealth which i agree is probably very considerable………Its not that difficult to single out a property that would return enough “income” to pay off any mortgage on that property. No one including Ed would enter into an arrangement that couldn’t pay for its self especially where property is concerned. Owning a property and renting it out does not generate employment it only generates wealth for the purchaser…………..I totally and absolutely agree with you on this………….. The truth about Kiwis is that the majority of them are the victims of our politicians fiscal experiments, but we voted the cunts in [although I protest vote]. We need to use what little passion we have to join forces and to do something about “our lot” as soon, it will be too late…………….Part of the experiment has been to shut down production lines and other industries thereby creating a huge pool of unemployed to keep wages down. Capitalism couldn’t function without this huge pool of unemployed………………Once again I totally agree with you……………The Aussies have an incredibly hard policy on immigration which will see them in a better state than us……………….There is a joke which is in fact not a joke circulating through email accounts, you have most probably come across it yourself, where it is pointed out that refugees and other assorted flotsam and jetsam abandon there own countries to escape the abysmal conditions in there own countries only to insist that they be allowed to introduce their own culture(s) here. Why the fuck did they come here in the first place. Its because we are soft cocks and allow them in in the name of PCness…………I can’t agree with you on this however I would be more inclined to have more respect for Ed if he invested his wealth in industry in this country generating jobs……….. Unfortunately for us the Eds of this country are leaving for a better place, which without doubt is Aus, and like it or not the people that stay will have to face the music of their making. I therefore agree with what Ed is saying, but definitely do not like the truth as it would appear you do not……………..I am not entirely sure what ‘truth’ you are alluding to.
Hey Rossco,
If property is that easy to buy and make a profit on why not do that instead of running around getting yourself into trouble belting people like “Sir”Robert Jones:
And to think that this thug Robert Jones, just as with “Ding dong the witch is dead” Paul Holmes, received a knighthood:
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/eyewitness-news—bob-jones-punches-reporter-rod-vaughan-1985
But then again Rossco not much has changed since Rob Muldoon’s Prime Minister-ship, wasn’t Muldoon the NZ PM that upset our PM, Malcolm Fraser with his comment “why don’t you tell your Prime Minister to go and see a Taxidermist“ at an Australian hosted CHOGM?
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/tonight—robert-muldoon-interview-1976
I too, recently, traveled abroad to visit family, friends, and to prepare to write a film script that is about an event that shows how well Australians and New Zealanders work together under duress. I noticed the difference between the two countries. As an example I met a bloke that was previously a professional cyclist in the likes of the Tour de France, and we hit it off getting pissed when the plane was delayed. He game me his card to catch up if I found myself in Perth. I lost his card but googled his name only to see a google match with the same guy on the Olympic rostrum having a gold medal placed around his neck in the Sydney 2000 Games. Now in New Zealand that guy would have been a house hold name and would not likely have mixed with the punters. In Australia he is just a good keen bloke.
I am sure that Lauda is aware that New Zealand used to be a colony administered by the Australian state of New South Wales. I believe that it should have stayed under that administration and it would have feared better than it has. I lived in Sydney from 1992 to 1996 and had a ball of a time. I concur with “Ed” about his comments about the level of talent in Australia, but feel that he should be reminded that a fair share of that talent are ex pat Kiwis. As the brain drain to Australia continues to accelerate I feel that New Zealanders that can only stay will be left with the level of comfort that they remain because they “like it as it is”. As for the people that want to change “the way it is”, I feel empathy for their suffering. If I sell the film script it will be sold as an Australian as both sides of my family came to New Zealand from Australia, when the grass was green on this side of the fence. I also have direct blood relatives that are Australian citizens and feel a closer bond to the Australian “way of life” than I do to the New Zealand “level of existence”. The projected film script will also disclose that whilst the two countries “work well together” it is always Australia that does the most in the relationship. Having said that the “kiwi contribution” insured the Australians survival.
This individual is no great loss to this country you are welcome to them , the subtext of this diatribe indicates that the writer is an elitist racist bigot and more than likely , given their property portfolio just another moocher on the system (2 billion spent subsidising private landlords per annum here) I despise this right wing govt with a passion but the writer of this article is worse than they are .
Be careful with “the writer of this article” shit Jeff, you could wind up looking like a troll, especially with the email address you’ve used. We here at Lauda Finem simply published one of our readers emails to us, just as we are publishing your comment. What form does the two million in rental subsidy take? Is it the accommodation allowance welfare beneficiaries receive or does the Govt write out cheque’s directly to the landlords? Is it the tax breaks the property investers are promised so as to intice them into the very risky residential home rental business? New Zealand has an affordable housing crisis, it also has a health crisis which is effecting minority groups to a greater extent, why isn’t there free dental care for welfare recipients? It also has an education system that greatly favours the cultural majority. It also has a prison system the population of which does not statistically reflect the countries cultural diversity, why is that? See: Housing, Welfare, Healthcare and Education
I am not a troll , I used my own name and my email address is attached to my business so nothing dodgy there feel free to put www before it I am happy to own my views as is the writer of the letter Ed for which I applaud him . As you invite comments I see no reason to call me a recalcitrant fucktard . I commented about the overt racism implied in the letter to you by Ed who saw fit to debase “fat people” “the unemployed”,” fat pacific Islanders ‘ , “toothless Maoris” , “feeloading pricks that emigrated and breed present and future loosers” to quote but a few comments . I am surprised that since this website purports to defend people unnecessarily wronged that you are not just a little uneasy about the tone of the writers prejudices being expressed above . I applaud the work you do exposing things our pitifull mainstream so called media won’t touch but calling me a recalcitrant fucktard is just not necessary . I look forward to reading an update on the Peter Ellis case and further outings of our thoroughly corrupt judiciary .
Sorry about the delay Jeff, your comment went to the spam folder.
Its fantastic that you’ve used your real name and that your business is IT based. Unfortunately we have had a couple or run in’s with the PC crazy fucktards over at the Standard who are also web egg-spurts so we probably tarred you with that brush, perhaps we shouldn’t have jumped to the conclusion that you were part of that mob:
http://laudafinem.com/2013/01/09/editorial-the-standard-new-zealands-pc-fueled-apathy-an-experiment-in-mind-control/
You state that Ed has used “overt implied racism“, we disagree, in fact overt implied doesn’t quite make sense either its overt or its implied?. Sure, Ed has noted, somewhat colorfully, that New Zealand has a national health crisis in that obesity is over represented in whats left of the population. As Ed also points out unemployment is rife and the standard of education exceptionally poor, again colourfully. All of those issues have also been reported in the mainstream Kiwi media recently, along with the inappropriate diet that many Kiwi’s eat and the fact that international agencies, who are normally concerned with third world poverty, are now directing resources to assist malnourished kiwi children a fact that the New Zealand authorities should be deeply ashamed of……but you hear nothing from them and nothing is being done to address these social inequities.
In fact you as a New Zealander Jeff should also hang your head in shame, Kids that need a third world focused charity to feed them because their own parents can’t afford to, whats that about Jeff? Where are the people marching in the streets as they did during the great depression when poverty was also a political issue, where are the militia reading the “riot act”?
Whilst we don’t endorse Ed’s writing style he did however write in to express his views. Those view are however in our view not overtly racist, sure he clearly calls a spade a spade. But “fat” Pacific Islander, “Toothless” and “Maori” are not in themselves racist nor is the context in which he uses these terms. New Zealand has a major problem with PC politics, unfortunately Politically Correct rhetoric has the intended effect of dumbing down often important debate………but not here in Australia. Its this PC bullshit that often creates the anger that New Zealander’s like Ed are clearly now beginning to express. Like wise you have used rhetoric to forcefully project your views, we support that as well, but won’t always agree with it.
We think that Social injustice is also criminal and boy oh boy is New Zealand, with the National Party at the helm, becoming a world leader in that area.
Hi Jeff, the editor, having read your email this morning, has invited you, as a kiwi and businessman, to write an article/contribution (if you have time), perhaps on what you personally feel is wrong with your country and its political and legal institutions. We note that you have an interest in the Peter Ellis case so feel free to canvass that matter too.